Terry-kun (terrykun) wrote,

DC's New 52

Here's my general outlook on the New 52. Basically, I think the titles involved all fall under one of four categories.

Category A - The Obligatory - These are the titles that we all knew were a given. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing for any of them as a rule, just that they were all obviously coming.

Justice League - DC claims they're going to have a huge cast, but apart from Hal's appearance in the first issue, it really feels like the other members of the League are just set dressing for the Trinity and Friends. And DC, STOP ACTING LIKE CYBORG IS AN A-LISTER. I love Vic Stone, I think he's a great character with a lot of depth, but he does not belong on the Justice League. It didn't feel natural on Superfriends, and it doesn't feel natural now.
Action Comics - It would be really nice if this wasn't just Superman stories forever and ever.
Detective Comics - Same, but for Batman.
Green Lantern - Looking forward to it, as it actually seems to be carrying forth some of the events of Brightest Day and War of the Green Lanterns.
Batman - Hard to get more obligatory than this.
Legion of Superheroes - This one I thought about for a bit, but then it did seem right. DC's sci-fi offerings seem to be a little light, so I am glad we're still getting a future setting.
Supergirl - Like Superboy, but hitting a different demographic than Superman, and with a better preserved character history (Crises aside).
Wonder Woman - There would be pitchforks and torches if DC left this out of their launch.
Flash - Less obligatory than the Trinity, but still very expected. Just wish it was Wally instead of Barry.
Superman - Okay, this is more obligatory than Batman.
Teen Titans - I'm actually relatively interested in this one, despite the art style being a little busier than I care for in general.

Category B -The  Progress - These are titles that I think either put forward Fan Favorites that aren't quite A-listers, or titles that are branching out beyond the typical superhero stock material. (Not a lot of these are going to get comments from me, since in nearly all cases, I'm ludicrously fond of all of them, and have no complaints. (:  )

Animal Man - Oh god... the art. It bleeds concentrated AWESOME.
Batgirl - Issues with it being Barbara aside, I'm glad to see this identity get continued exposure.
Men of War + Blackhawks - I like the use of the genre, but I really feel just one of these would have been enough. My preference would have been for Blackhawks.
Static Shock - Let's hope they can find a healthy middle ground between his Milestone Roots and the animated version that got him better exposure.
Demon Knights + Frankenstein - Same as for Men of War and Blackhawks.
Red Lanterns
Birds of Prey - At least there's no more Hawk and Dove on the team. Oh. Wait. (See Category D.)
Blue Beetle - :)
Captain Atom
Green Lantern Corps
All-Star Western - Another good genre bump.
Green Lantern: New Guardians
I, Vampire - Now this feels distinct enough from Demon Knights and Frankenstine that I welcome it.
Justice League Dark - Zatanna, Madame Xanadu, and The Shade. What more do you WANT?

Category C - The Neutral - No real opinion on these ones. Titles that really just feel like filler, even from an editorial/marketing standpoint.

Green Arrow
Stormwatch - Now, I actually think this was a solid book, and a good step in the Wildstorm Integration, but I'd rather these characters be introduced through story arcs in other titles.
Batwoman - Now co-starring Hit-Girl! I mean, Flamebird. Considering the practicality Kate has always been presented with, I would really have liked to see her stories becoming the flagship for Detective Comics.
Resurrection Man - Meh.
Suicide Squad - Love the concept and the history, but very very wary about this new lineup and direction.
DC Universe Presents - Need to see what kind of exposure we actually get before passing judgment.
Jason Todd and the Ginger Squad, a.k.a. Red Hood and the Outlaws
Fury of Firestorm

Category D - The Pointless - Really DC? These are mostly titles that I feel are rendered redundant by being part of an overall 'family', or that could have been better served by leaving a slot for someone from Category B.

Batwing - Now, don't get me wrong. I actually liked the first issue and the protagonist, but if DC is trying to show more diversity, why are they streamlining POC characters into just being knock-offs of one of their big titles?
Hawk & Dove - Stop it DC.
O.M.A.C. - Dammit, I just got that taste out of my mouth...
Swamp Thing
Batman & Robin
Deathstroke - Now with more plot armor than ever before!
Legion Lost - I like the characters, but I don't think it's a property that needs a second book.
Mister Terrific - See my comments on Cyborg in category A.
Superboy - Young Justice tie-in. You're doing it right. That doesn't make it a good book concept.
Batman: The Dark Knight - Have we mentioned lately that he is DARK and GRITTY and that his PARENTS ARE DEAD?
Savage Hawkman - I don't care if he's a classic. I DO NOT CARE. YOU HEAR ME?

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You know, I agree with you that Detective shouldn't just be another Batman book. I would have liked it if were one shot stories like Dini's Detective featuring different characters (Batman, Montoya, Nightwing, Manhunter etc etc). We can still have separate solo titles for Batman, Batgirl, Batwoman etc. but Detective should be a revolving character book. It’s refreshing AND it allows fans to get stories about characters who we can’t seem to support their own solo titles. However, for Action I think it should be a Superman's solo book if only because Action Comics #1 was when we first met Supes. Too me, Action Comics is Clark’s book. That said, the Superman solo book should be cancelled. But all this is sort personal thing, if Action turned into a revolving character book, I'd be okay with that too but it wouldn’t be how I preferred it. But there's just no NEED for two (three, four?) books ft Bats and two books ft Supes. No NEED. But yeah, like you said, obligatory (re: Cash Cow). You're just going to run out of stories to tell DC. *shakes fist*

I also completely agree with you about Cyborg not being an A-lister. But I mean neither was Vixen, though I liked her better on JLA even if I didn’t think she should have been on the team. And I don’t like the direction they’re taking with JLA. I always felt like that team should only take in people who have proven themselves to be great heroes, like Diana, GL, Flash etc. These are characters who have saved the world, by themselves, repeatedly. This is the group that’s suppose to be the first line and only line of defense against Darkseid-leve threats. Thus they shouldn’t be bothered with training a n00b and that’s what Cyborg is going to be. Leave that shit up to the JSA. Honestly, if it wouldn't be so redundant, Mr. Terrific would be perfect on JLA. Unfortunately they’re never going to get rid of Bats (also, I want moments with my Trinity OT3), the fans would cry and you know, cash cow. *shrugs* Personally, I always felt JSA was way better at diversity than JLA anyway. *shrugs*

Hell yeah there would pitchforks if there wasn't a Wonder Woman book. And I'd be at the front of that line readying the napalm. It drives me insane that DC won't just give her a good status quo. She's an amazing fucking character when written well.

However, I completely disagree with you about Stormwatch if only because that book was what JLA#1 should have been. Also, I rather a good writer like Cornell establish their status quo/personalities first instead of a 100 other writers just fapping over Midnighter and jizzing terrible characterizations everywhere. Cornell seems to actually want to give Apollo a position aside from damsel in distress (and you know, a personality) and make Angie and everyone else badass. So yeah, totally rather them in their own book. Also, I am in complete agreement with you about Demon Knights, Frankenstein, (but I also add JL Dark (stupid name) to that list). We don’t need that many books revolving around the same topic. And after reading Stormwatch, I think my vote lies with Demon Knights as the keeper book. <3

I also completely disagree with you about the Mr. Terrific book because he’s a fantastic character who needs a chance at a solo book. =) And he has the possibility of becoming an A-lister. Hopefully it’s a good book.

Please let me know if Teen Titans, Superboy, Ginger Squad aren’t going to be as terrible as I expect them. Especially in regards to Ginger Squad because even though I hate Jason Todd and I dislike the direction they’re taking with Kory, this book has the potential to be hilarious.

Was Animal Man not the most amazing thing ever? I have gushed for ever and ever and ever. I LOVE THIS BOOK!!!!

Also, your reaction to Hawk & Dove is my reaction as well. How does Liefeld still find work!?!?

Apologies for really long rants. XD